THE
FROM
1066-2011
A family history
began in 1979
By James R. Warren
THE
FROM
1066-2011
A family history
began in 1979
By James R. Warren
PREFACE
AS a guide to this history, the reader
should be aware of the format in which it is written. Every attempt was made to make this a readable
account of the WARREN FAMILY. We did not
want it to be perceived as a simple listing of obscure people with names and
dates attached. In that format, interest is soon lost, and the book is set
aside. History is boring to most of us
because we do not make the connection that we were there as a family helping make it. We want each person to be real to the reader. That is why as much available information for
each person was included, and more is added as new facts are discovered.
The first section THE WARREN FAMILY ORIGIN
gives the beginnings and history of the first people to use the name
THE LINEAGE also is taken from the above
two accounts along with the Warren line of descent from Notes on the Southerland Latham and Allied Families by
Edward Kinsey Voorhees, Atlanta, Georgia, Nineteen thirty one (For private
Distribution) Microfilm No. 0875383 Salt Lake City, Utah. This traces the Warren Family through the
Kings of
OUR WARREN ANCESTORS IN ENGLAND starts with the first
Earl of
THE WARREN FAMILY FROM ENGLAND TO ALABAMA begins with
our first ancestor in
It is my hope each of you can easily find your own
unique place in this history. May you
find personal satisfaction in knowing who you are and from where you came. That you can stand today and feel yesterday looking over your
shoulder and receive a moment of true bonding with the past. It will come
unbidden, flower in a heartbeat, and be gone almost before it can be
savored. But the afterglow remains and
the feeling of it is etched forever…an instant of full communion with those who
lived the period…the past will be around you, and in you, and you will know.
Introductory Letter
10/22/93
The following pages were started in 1979, and have
continually expanded each year since then.
Uncle Leon Warren and Aunt Olema Chameless Warren copied from several
family Bibles the birth, marriage, and death records of George Washington
Warren and his children. These three
pages gave us a starting place to begin what I hope is the continuing history
of our Warren and related families.
Thanks to
James Ronald Warren
THE
The name
The lordship of Garenne belonged to the noble family
of
In Ireland there has been much confusion between the
names Waring and Warren; but as the former was first established in County
Antrim in the reign of James I., all previous references in the records of
Ireland to the names Warynge, Waryn, etc., must be taken as solely applicable
to Warren. In fact we find the Warrens
of Navan,
Can you
imagine how much it took to heat large castle rooms?
This painting is actually the depiction of William son of
the Fifth Earl Warren described from page 302
Vol. 1 Ancient Earls of
William died in his father's lifetime, for being at a
tournament at Croydon in
challenger
intercepted, and cruelly slain. His death happened Dec. 15th, 1286, and he was
buried before the high altar at Lewes. Joan
his widow died Nov.
21, 1293, and was buried with her husband under a high tomb. (Note the
THE LINEAGE
The Rev. John Watson, M.A., F.S.A., in his great work
on the
William the Conqueror married Maud or Matilda,
daughter of Baldwin V., Earl of Flanders, and grand-daughter of Robert, King of
France, whose youngest (More probably his first) daughter, Gundreda, married
William de Warrenne, Earl (Count) of Warren in Normandy, and afterwards created
Earl of Surrey by William Rufus, King of England.
Herfastus, brother of Gunnora, had a daughter married
to Walter de St. Martin, by whom he had William de Warrenne, Earl of Warren in
Mr. Eyton gives a somewhat different pedigree compiled
by Mr. Stapleton in his Antiquities of Shropshire. According to this, a niece of Gunnora, wife
of Richard I., Duke of Normandy, married Hugh, Bishop of Coutances, in 990;
living in 1020, by whom he had Redolphus de Warren,
who was the father of William de Warren, first Earl of Warren and
Now there are
two statements here to which we must take exception. First Rodolphus (Ralph or Raoul) de Warren
was not a son of Hugh the Bishop, and second he was not brother of Roger de
Mortimer. Our authority is the Charters
of the Abbey of Holy Trinity, 
to the Abbey
of Holy Trinity the gift of the church and tithe of the whole town of Osulfe,
in the county of Caux, for the redemption of their souls; and their sons join
them in this benefaction. It is stated,
however, that they had bought this property formerly from William, son of
Roger, son of Hugh the Bishop. Who this
William was, we have no further information of, in the Charter. If he had been a nephew of Rodolphus's, it
would have been stated. He may have been
a Mortimer and near kinsman, as Stapleton and Eyton's pedigree would lead us to
conclude; but that Rodolphus and Roger were brothers is beyond
credibility. Rodolphus is not described
as son of Hugh the Bishop, as Roger is, nor is he described as brother of
Roger. That Ralph or Raoul de Warrenne was father of William, first Earl of
Warren and Surrey, is indisputable, for in the list of the principal
benefactors of the Abbey of Holy Trinity at Rouen, we find his name "Raoul
de Warrenne, father of the first Earl of Warren and Surrey." He is also described as vir illustris, and
had numerous lordships in the
He seems to have been a great favorite of the
king, and married Gundreda, fifth daughter (More probably the first) of William
the Conqueror, by his queen Matilda.
Foster, in his Royal Lineage of England, shows that Matilda or Maud,
daughter of Baldwin V., Earl of Flanders, was descended both from Alfred the
Great, King of England, and Charlemagne; Baldwin II. having married the
daughter of King Alfred, and their son Arnulf I. having married the daughter of
Heribert II., Earl of Vermandois, from which union Matilda was fifth in
descent Playfair also in his British
Baronetage states, that the family of
Warren are lineal descendants in a direct male line from Charlemagne, and that
the oldest branch of Warrenne, according to the genealogies in some of the
earliest Norman histories, is the true claimant of the Carlovingian throne,
usurped by Hugh Capet, ancestor of the Bourbons, to the exclusion of Charles,
Duke of Lorraine.
By
marriage, the family of Warren can trace their descent from Hugh Capet, as
William de Warrenne, second Earl of Warren and Surrey, married Isabel, daughter
of Hugh the Great, Earl of Vermandois, and brother of Philip, King of
France. Hugh the Great's father was
Henry, his grandfather was Robert, and his great-grandfather was Hugh Capet -
all kings of
William the Conqueror
The above is from the HISTORY of the WARREN
FAMILY A.D.912-1902 BY REV. THOMAS WARREN F.R.S.A. Ireland pages
1-5. This in turn was taken in the most
part from the REV. JOHN WATSON'S Memoirs of the Ancient Earls of Warren and
OUR
WILLIAM de WARENNE, FIRST
EARL OF WARREN AND SURREY
William de Warenne, was Earl (Count) of Warenne in France, the
These remains
have been placed in a tomb, with the tombstone of Gundreda placed over them, in
a very pretty little chapel in the
Over Looking
Bellencombre France 2007
A replica of
View of the Barbican Gate
of Lewes Castle I took September 12, 2006.
(Notice the view of 1782-5 of the same below)
Ronnie at
Lord Ronnie
Warren at
Alan Warren took
this one of me to commemorate my visit to
Looking South
East from Castle’s
Looking South
East from the downs
Different views
of
Memoirs
of The Ancient Earls of
2007
The Gundred
grave photo above is by Alan Warren of Dorset
Ronnie in Gundreda’s Tomb in
2007
When looking at
the two lead cists in Gundrada’s Tomb it is clearly seen they are wood coffins
covered by lead sheets
Wall, inner bailey and well tree of
Below the keep
and mote of
Castle Rising
Earl Warenne
explaining to King Edward by what authority he held his lands.
View of
Ruins of Priory
of Saint Pancras below
William Earl
Warren and a Monk
WILLIAM DE WARENNE, SECOND
EARL OF
William de Warren, Second Earl of
Warren and
Different views of Castle Acre in
WILLIAM DE WARREN, THIRD
EARL OF
William de
Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey (d. 1148), was the eldest son of the William de
Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey and Elizabeth de Vermandois. He was thus a
great-grandson of Henry I of France, and half-brother to Robert de Beaumont,
2nd Earl of Leicester, Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan, and Hugh de
Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford. He was
generally loyal to king Stephen. He fought at the Battle of Lincoln (1141), and
was one of the leaders of the army that pursued the empress Matilda in her
flight from
WILLIAM of
William of Blois
(c.1137 – October 11, 1159) was Count of Boulogne (1153-1159) and Earl of
Surrey (1153-1159). He was the second son of King Stephen of
HAMELIN de WARENNE, 5th EARL
of SURREY
Hamelin de
Warenne (1129 - May 7, 1202) was an English nobleman who was prominent at the
courts of the Angevin kings of
WILLIAM de WARENNE, 6th EARL
of SURREY
William Plantagenet,
otherwise known as William de Warenne, 6th Earl of Surrey (1166 - 1240), was
the son of Hamelin de Warenne and Isabel, daughter of William de Warenne, 3rd
Earl of Surrey. His father Hamelin granted him the manor of Appleby, in the
John de Warenne, 7th Earl of
Surrey
John de Warenne
(1231? – September 27, 1304), 7th Earl of Surrey or Warenne, was prominent
during the reigns of Henry III and Edward I. During his long life he fought in
the Second Barons' War and in Edward I's wars in
Warenne and
Alice de Lusignan had three children:
JOHN de WARENNE, 8th EARL of WARENNE and
SURREY
John de Warenne (June 30, 1286 –
June 1347), 8th Earl of Warenne and Surrey, was the last Warenne earl of
View from street of a part of
Inside
East side of Arundel
Castle Sussex England
This is a portion of A
BIBILOGRAPHICAL AND CRITICAL ACCOUNT OF THE THREE EDITIONS OF WATSON’S MEMOIRS
OF THE ANCIENT EARLS OF WARREN AND SURREY. BY
JOHN GOUGH NICHOLS, F.S.A.
[Extracted from THE HERALD AND GENEALOGIST 1871]
As
it pertains to the most probable linage of our Humphrey Warren and the Poynton
Warrens.
In the year
(1819) Dallaway published his History of the Rape of Arundel, in which,
at pp. 121-123, he discusses the question of the descent of the Warrens of
Poynton, showing the several theories of Flower and Glover, Vincent and
Dugdale, and lastly of Watson. He
appends some valuable observations which were communicated to him by Francis
Townsend, Windsor Herald, then engaged in collecting materials for a new
edition of Dugdale’s Baronage. These
include proofs that the Earl was never divorced from his wife Isabel de Barre,
the grand-daughter of King Edward I. nor married to Isabel de Holland, whom in
his will he terms his compatigae. Dallaway
dismisses Watson’s book with this criticism, that it is “elaborate as to the
historical collection for the House of Warren, but conjectural as to the
establishment of its main point.” It was reserved to Joseph Hunter, the Historian of
THE WARRENS OF POYNTON,-- The principal object of “The
History of the House of Warren,” a work in which it is manifest that great
attention was given to the subject its learned author, was to prove that a race
of gentry of the same name of Warren, who had resided, from the reign of Edward
III., at Poynton, near Stockport, in Cheshire, were in legitimate descent from
the ancient Earls of Warren; and that, being so descended, the head of that
family had a right to the Earldom of Warren.
The second position was a palpable non sequitur.
For if it could have been proved, to the satisfaction of a Lord’s Committee,
that Sir George Warren did descend in the line contended for by Mr. Watson, it
would by no means have followed that he was entitled to the rank and privileges
of Earl of Warren, if any where, to the issue of his sister, the Countess of
Arundel.1
In his first position he appears to be equally in
error. He has shown indeed that Vincent2
and Dugdale3 are both wrong when they deduce the Warrens of Poynton
from John de Warren, an illegitimate son of the last Earl. He has also produced very probable reasons
why the Warrens of Poynton did not descend, as others have conjectured, from a
John de Warren, said to be son of John the seventh Earl, who died in 1304, by a
second wife, a daughter of Mowbray. But
it does not follow that, having cleared away these two hypotheses, the third
which he adopts becomes established as indisputably true. We are persuaded indeed that that hypothesis
is equally without the support of evidence, and in opposition to very pertinent
probabilities, with the two which Mr. Watson has ably disposed of.
It is admitted that the Poynton family descend from a
Sir Edward Warren, who was living in the reign of Edward III. This is a point about which there is no
dispute. The question is how Sir Edward was connected with the Earls? Mr. Watson deduces
his descent from Reginald, a second son of William the second Earl (and
consequently grandson to Gundred the daughter of the Conqueror), who is said to
have had by Adeliza, a daughter of Roger de Mowbray, William, his only son and
heir; who, by Isabel, a daughter of Sir William de Haydon, had Sir John Warren;
who, by Alice, daughter of Roger de Townsend, had another Sir John; father to
Sir Edward, by Joan, daughter of Sir Hugh Port.
Now, we have an attempt to prove the
existence of the two Sir Johns: no inquisitions (for the latter of these, at
least, must have lived within the period through which we are so rich in that
species of evidence): no reference to any thing which has the semblance of
authority for the marriages with Townsend and Port. The whole is taken from an unsupported
pedigree, which purports to have been prepared by Flower and Glover, but which
would seem to betray some inferior hand, when it gravely states that Hugh Capet
was the son of Osmund de Comitus Villa, by Warina sister to Herfastus, did we
not know that the truly respectable name of Glover is subscribed to other
northern pedigrees, in which there are errors as palpable. We think, therefore, that till there is
something to prove the existence at least of these two Sir Johns and their
wives, it were too much to call upon his majesty to allow a dignity to their
supposed personal representative, which would have had the effect of placing
him above all the earls of the realm. We
think, moreover, that the true descent of Sir Edward Warren, and consequently
the relation in which the Warrens of Poynton stand to the Earls of Warren, is shown in a very satisfactory
manner in a volume relating to the topography of the
south part of
It is then for the first time shown, that the last
Earl of Warren had a son who bore the name of Edward;
and as the house of Poynton is known to descend from an Edward de Warren, who
must have been contemporary with that Edward; as there was a strong current of
tradition that it did descend from an illegitimate son of the last Earl of
Warren; as the distinction in the arms of the Warrens of Poynton was a lion
rampant ermine, which was the coat of Nereford,2 and the earl is well known to
have had a mistress of the name of Maud de Nereford; as there also is an
absence of all evidence for any other descent of Sir Edward Warren, the
undoubted ancestor,-- we confess we see not how the conclusion can be evaded
that he is the Edward de Warren named in the will, a son, but not legitimate,
of the eighth and last Earl.
The name of
We have one more
remarkable particular to give before we close this article. Mr. Watson is said
to have inquired in vain for the Register of Archbishop Zouch, and in vol. Ii.
P. 50, he stated that it was “unfortunately lost.” In this supposition Mr. Hunter acquiesced. But, if ever missing or mislaid, it has been
recovered, and has, with the other registers of its series, been made to
render forth its treasures of information by the Surtees Society. The will of
the last Earl Warren will be found at length in the Testamenta Eboracensia,
Vol 1. 41-47, and it is one of the most curious and interesting in that
collection. The Earl’s surviving
children by Maud de Nerford were then grown up and some married, and he had
another compaigne named Isabelle de Holand. The following are the passages in which he
mentions the new connections he had thus acquired, and his children—
Jeo devys a dame Maude de Holand iiij
jumentz de mon haratz de Sussex.3
Jeo devys a monsire Robert de Holande les
quissers ove le picer de quir qui sount pour mon
destrer.4
Jeo devys a monsire Otes de Holande les
coverturs burnutz de plate qui sount pour mon
destrer.5
Jeo devys a monsieur William de Warenne
mon filz cent mares, ma hure d’argent dorre pour Strathorne, ove la cerele
d’argent pour yeel, deus taches et le latz dargent dorretz pour le mauntel, et
tout mon hernoys pour le jouster.6
Et a ma fille sa compaigne j nouche d’or.
Jeo devys a Edward de Warenne mon filz vynt I.
Jeo devys a Johan de
Basyngg ma fille une coupe dargent pleyne.
Jeo devys a Katherine ma
fille dys mare.
Jeo devys a
Isabelle ma fille, noneyne de Sempryngham, vynt 1.
Jeo devys a daunz William de Warenne mon filz ma bible que jai fait faire en Fraunecys, et qule
demoerge en la meson ou il serra priour après son decease en perpetuel memoire
de moy.
Here are
enumerated the Earl’s surviving children, probably in the order of their birth.
The eldest was Sir William, 1 and he had a wife, but whose name does
not appear. Edward was the second, --
the ancestor of the Warrens of Poynton.
The eldest daughter had acquired another name by marriage. Katharine was
unmarried; and Isabel was a nun at Sempringham. Lastly is mentioned Don William
(the second of that name), who had become prior of Horton in
After many other
legacies, one of which we cannot pass over without noticing its heraldic
interest,
Jeo devys a mousier William de Friskeneye deus botels d’argent ove escuchounz des armes3
monsire Johan de Breouse.
We arrive at a long catalogue of articles
bequeathed to Isabelle de Holand, commencing thus—
Jeo devys a Isabelle de Holand ma compaigne mon auel d’or
ove le bane rubye, baquinze les quinze anels d’or par constellation qui sont en
mon Egle d’or,4 ensi q’ele méttre autres anels en lour liens tiels
come lui plerra, les principals vestementz entiers pour ma chapelle, &c.
&c. &c.
The will was made
in the
We must conclude
that the Earl of Warren chose to regard and to style Isabelle de Holand as his
wife, although he had failed to procure a divorce from his actual wife Joan de
Barre, a granddaughter of King Edward I., who survived him, and is styled
Countess of Surrey after his death. J. G. N.
Guigard, in his Bibliotheque Heraldique de la France,
has omitted any notice of Watson’s work: but he mantions, as his No. 4792, Notice
historique et genealogique sur la Famille de Warren et sur ses establissements
successifs en Angleterre, en Irlande, en Lorraine, et en Toscaine. (Par le comte FRANCOIS PATRICE EDOUARD DE
There
is also an American work of some importance on the
In the year 2004 I bought a copy of
Testamenta Eboracensia that contained the Will of the Eighth Earl Warren
written in its original French Latin.
The very will Rev Watson failed to find that would have changed his
linage for Sir George Warren of Poynton.
Alan John Warren of Blandford Forum, Dorset had it translated and as you
can see matches Nichols version from A
Critical Account very well. The following documents are the Will,
correspondence and the translation.
6 July
2004
Mr. Alan John Warren,
The Hill,
Tarrant Keyneston
Blandford Forum
DR11 (JG
Dear Mr. Warren,
I am happy to enclose my translation of the Will of John,
Earl of Warenne,
My treatment of the text calls for little comment. I have retained the original spellings of the
few English words which appear – mostly place-names and personal names. Square brackets enclose editorial notes. “?” indicates a word of which the meaning is uncertain. Paragraph divisions and more punctuation have
been introduced to make the text more readable.
Dates and sums of money are given in their original forms, but Arabic
numerals replace Roman ones.
It turns out that the document contains no references to
any land. Testators of this period
sometimes made their Wills in two parts:
a “Testament” which dealt with their souls, bodies, and movables,
including money, and a “Last Will” which dealt with their land. Because of this, I have called it a Testament. I do not know whether the Earl’s difficult
family circumstances – an unsuccessful attempt to divorce his wife, Joan of Bar
(who is not mentioned here, if she was still alive), and a lack of legitimate
heirs – may have led him not to make one.
I notice that he made bequests to the king’s eldest son,
Edward of Woodstock, and then to Edmund of Langley, but not to any of the royal
children born between those two. Could
he perhaps have been Edmund’s god-father?
But this is just speculation.
The work has gone well, with few real problems. Words for technical things like pieces of
amour can be tricky: I’ve done my best and put in notes for the awkward ones
where the exact meaning may be uncertain.
Dr. Peter Franklin, Palaeographer
46,
Translation of the Testament of John, Earl
of Warenne,
[Anglo French]
Page 41
“[Heading: “35. This is the Testament of Sir John, Earl of
Warrenne [sic], of
In the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,
amen,
On Sunday the 24th
day of June in the year of the Incarnation of our
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Lord 1347, I, John,
Earl of Warenne [sic], of
Firstly, I bequeath
my soul to God, and to our Lady, and to all the Saints in heaven,
And
my body to be buried in the
And I will that of my great horses [i.e. war-horses] be
caparisoned with my armorial bearings, two for war the other for peace, before
my body on the day of my burial, whereof those for war should be covered with
armor [literally with iron], and that the same two horses should remain
and be given to the afore-named Church of St Pancras [“Pantcratz [sic]”], with
my weapons with which those who ride on chevauchees [see note below] are armed,
I bequeath for all
the kinds of expenses for my burial, all entirely at the order of my executors,
as well in alms as in other matters, just as they think fit to perform my
Testament,
And I will that all
the cloths of gold and silk which shall be offered for my body, and all the wax
[i.e., wax candles] which shall be borne around my body on the hearse,
shall remain to the said church where my body shall be buried,
I bequeath to the
Friars Minors [= Franciscans] of Lewes, 50 marks,
And I will that a lowly
hearse should be made in their church, and that they should sing a requiem mass
for my soul, and that all the wax from the said hearse should remain to them,
I bequeath £100
cash [literally of silver] to be given specially to the poor on the day
of my burial,
I bequeath to the
Chapel of our Lady of Walsingham, my golden eagle [“Egle”; see note, below],
without the rings which are placed as stars [“par constellation”],
I bequeath to the
shrine of
I bequeath to the
parish churches where I have my manors and my lordships. L20, to be divided between
the parsons and the vicars of the same churches, according to the order of my
executors, in compensation for the tithes which
my officers have not paid as well as they ought, and to pray for my soul,
I bequeath to my
lord, the King of England, my great dish of jasper, ornamented with silver,
gold, and precious stones, and two of my best-flying falcons,
And I will that all
the remainder of my falcons should be divided between my falconers to the order
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of
my executors,
I bequeath to my
lady, Queen Philippa [“Phelipp” see note, below], my silver-gilt salt-cellar
shaped like [latterly cut like] an elephant.
I bequeath to my
lord, the Prince [see note, below], my jasper cup,
I bequeath to Sir
[“Sire”] Edmund of Langley [“Langele”], his brother, a crystal cup ormanited
with silver gilt, with a tripod? [“treper”],
I bequeath to the
Archbishop of Canterbury [“Canterbirs”], one cross of silver gilt and enamel,
with three pieces of coral at the corners,
And five gold rings
placed as stars which I carried with the same,
I bequeath to Lady
Maud de Holande, four mares [“jumentz” may also mean beasts of burden in
general] from my stud in
I bequeath to Sir
[“Monsire”] Robert de Holande, the thigh-armor? [“quinnern”]
with the picer of leather [see note, below] which are for my dentrier,
Here he has left
out Monsire Otes de Holande
I bequeath to Sir
William de Warenne, my son, 100 marks, my helmet of silver gilt for Strathorne,
with the coronet [“in cercle”] of silver gilt for the same, two fastenings and
the pin? [“ie
latz”] of silver gilt for the cloak, and all
my amour for joust,
And to my daughter,
his wife [not named], one golden broach,
I bequeath to Edward de Warenne, my son, £5
[see note, below],
I bequeath to Joan
de Basyngg, my daughter, one cup of plain silver.
I bequeath to
Katherine, my daughter, 10 marks,
I bequeath to
Isabel, my daughter, a nun at Sempyngham [sic], £5
I bequeath to Dan [“Dauns”] William de
Warenne, my son, my Bible which I had made in French, and which should remain
in the house where he shall be prior in perpetual memory of me.
I bequeath to Sir
Thomas Beron, 12 dishes, 12 saucers, six ordinary goblets, one plain cup, two
basins and two chargers of silver, my old bed of red [English; “worsted”], and
the cloth of one robe, partly of striped velvet and partly of red velvet, with the cloak of red velvet, for a vestment
for his church,
I bequeath to
Brother William Bugaleys, my confessor, £10,
And to his fellow,
whoever it should be at the time, five marks,
I bequeath to the
Canons at Regate, the vestments of my chapel which are commonly used, with the
chalice and fittings for the altar,
I bequeath to
Durham Priory [“in Priorie de Duresme”], my golden chalice ornamented with
precious stones, for celebrating masses at the altar of St Cuthbert,
I bequeath to the
Friars Preachers [Dominicans] at Thefford, £5,
And to the Friars
Minors at Grantham (“Graham vynt”)], £5,
And to the monks at
Medenham, £40, if my executors see that they can do it [sic],
I bequeath to Sir
John de Eland, 100 marks,
I bequeath to John
Dynleye, £5,
I bequeath to Sir
William de Friskeneye, two silver bottles? [“botels”],
with shields with the arms of Sir John de Breouse,
I bequeath to
Master Thomas de Upton, the cloth of a velvet robe, partly of striped velvet
and partly of green velvet, for a vestment for his church,
I bequeath to
Master John de la Gote, £20,
I bequeath to Sir
John de Walford, 10 marks, and the cloth,
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of
one of my robes of silk for a vestment for his church,
I bequeath to Sir
John de Staunford, £10,
I bequeath to Henry
Hop. £10, and the cloth of one of my robes of silk for a vestment for his
church,
I bequeath to
William Mauduyt, five marks,
I bequeath to
Isabel [“Bette”] Bygot and to John de Reym, to each of them, 10 marks,
I bequeath to
Thomas de Jardyn, to John de Pulesdon and to John de Ratheby, to John
Chaundeler, to Henry Lardiner and to Richard Bourt [it is not clear how the
abbreviation should be extended], to each of them100s,
(Here he left out
John the barbour and John de Ernole)
I bequeath to John
de Gayte, Richard [“Huchoune”], see note, below] de Gretewell, Martin Baker,
Roger le Palfreyour and to John de Seleby, to each of them, 60s,
I bequeath to John
le Ferour, to Robert le Ferour and to Peter Politer, to each of them, 40s,
I bequeath to the
clerks of my chapel, 40s, to be divided between them, according to the order of
my executors,
I bequeath £40 to
be divided between my other people of my household, the serving-men and pages
of my household, according to the position of each and the time for which he
has served me, according to the order of my executors,
I bequeath 200 marks to provide for two chaplains to sing [i.e., celebrate
masses] for me in various places, according to the order of my executors,
so that 100 marks should be provided solely for celebrating masses for our
lady.
And if my goods
will extend further than that, then I will that more should be done,
I bequeath to Isabel de Holand [sic], my wife [“compaigne” see
note, below], my gold ring with the good ruby, the five gold rings placed as
stars which are in my golden eagle, so that she put other rings in their place,
such as she shall please, the complete principal vestments for my chapel, with
the complete fittings for the altar, my censer of silver gilt and enamel, my
golden cup with a little [English: “Ewer”] of silver gilt, all my beds, great
and small, except those which I have bequeathed to othera [sic, plural], the
great dish, the silver pot for alms, three plates for spices, all my vessels of
plain silver, as in dishes, saucers, basins, washing dishes, chargers, cups and
goblets, except those which I have bequeathed to others in this Testament,
And the half of my
stock, as oxen, cows, mares, foals, sheep and other beasts,
And after my debts
and my bequeaths shall be paid, I bequeath to my said wife, all the residue of
all my goods and chattels, in whatever place they should be found,
And I will and
bequeath that none of my executors shall trouble at any time that he should not
have sufficient expenses for the execution of my said Testament, and that he
should look for his labour [i.e., have his expenses] according to the order of my executors,
And I will and
ordain that what I have bequeathed to every single one of the people in this
Will and whatsoever I owe to various creditors, should be raised and paid to my
said creditors and legatees from my horses, foals, mares, oxen, cows and calves, sheep
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Lambs, wool, and
the rents which are due to me, and from my other stock and movables which I
have in Surry [sic], Sussex, Wilteshire, Wales [“Gales”], Norfolk and
elsewhere, and that my executors sell my said goods and stock to such people who proffer and wish to pay the most for
them at the time that they buy my said stock and my above said other goods,
And for the same reason, I will and ordain that my executors do
not sell any manner of stock or of the other goods named above which shall be
mine at the time when God shall give his command to me [i.e., when I shall
die], to any man of ant condition, whether he should be of my blood or an
outsider, who, after my decease, claims any manner of right in the Earldom of
Warrenne, or in any part of the lands which I hold, or who can claim by way of
succession, or by any other reason of law or title, exact by the good will and
consent of all my executors,
And that the said goods should be sold to such for as high price
as other good people of the country proffer and give in fairs and markets for
such kinds of stock and other goods bought,
And I will that in such case the price agreed beforehand should be
paid to my said executors before any kind of delivery of the said goods,
And if it happens that any of my said successors contravene this
my Testament, taking or seizing any of my said stock or aforesaid goods and
chattels for him, or for any of them, then I make protest before God and all
the world that they will have done it all contrary to my Testament,
And I will that such interlopers of my said goods, for themselves
or for others, have no right or pretext of right by way of such seizure in the
retention of the same, but they should be bound before God according to all
manner of strictness of the law
and of the statutes until they have made full restitution and satisfaction to
my said executors,
And in such case, if my said executors should be prevented from
fulfilling my said Testament by such violent attacks and seizures of my said
goods, I will that they should be quite and absolved before God and all the world, and the said interlopers be burdened with all
the penalties and course of the law aforesaid,
And I make and ordain my executors, to fulfill this my Testament
Sir John de Stratford, Archbishop of Canterbury [“Cantirbirs”], Lady Maud de
Hollande [sic], Sir Thomas de Holand, Sir John de Eland, Sir Thomas Bertram,
Master John de la Gote, John de Dynleye, Thomas de Weyvill, Sir Ralph Bygot. William
Mauduyt and John Plescy,
In witness of which
thing, I have put my seal to this Testament,
Given at my
{Grant of Probate:
“Proved on 26th July 1347, in the Manor of Scroby”]
N.B
1) Late medieval testators sometimes made their Wills in two parts, a
“Testament” which dealt with their souls, bodies, and movables, including
money, and a “Last Will” which dealt with their land.
As
this document makes no mention of land, I have translated the Anglo-French
“testament” as Testament in this sense of the word, rather than as Will.
2) The title “earl Warenne/earl of Warenne” was
used interchangeably with that of “earl of
3) “Chevawchues” were mounted raids which became
a major feature of the Hundred Years War.
4) The English mark was a unit of account –
never a coin – worth two-thirds of a pound or 13s 4d.
5) A few terms are awkward. “Egle” must be eagle, but it is not clear if
this word is given in Anglo-French or in English. This was a rich object around which rings
were put “as stars” “[par constellation”]; its gift to the chapel suggests that
it was a lectern shaped like an eagle, but any kind of rich ornament would have
made a suitable gift.
I cannot find a translation for the “picer of
leather”, which was evidently a piece of horse-armour.
6) The form Philip was used for both
sexes in Anglo-French and English at this time, as neither language had a
feminine form of the name. I have
followed convention by rendering the name of Edward III’s queen as Philippa,
the form which English later borrowed
from Latin.
7) “My Lord, the Prince” must be Edward of
8)
“Sire” and “Monsire”/”Monsieur” both mean Sir. The clerk gave this title to clergymen as
well as Knights in late medieval fashion.
Edmund of Lamgley was called “Sir” out of
respect for one of the king’s sons; he was only five years old when this Will
was made.
The Earl’s clerical son William was given the
archaic ecclesiastical title “Dan”.
9)
The raised numeral “1” which the Editor used to indicate his foot-note on Page
43 is almost identical with the raised letter”1”, probably standing for
Anglo-French “livers” but perhaps Latin “libros”, both of which mean pounds.
The foot-note refers only to the bequest to
Durham Priory.
10) “Hunchoune” is a diminutive of Richard,
found, i.e., in the surname
11) The text calls Isabel de Holand the Earl’s
“compaigne”, which means wife or consort, but Joan de Bar is the only
wife mentioned in works such as V.H.H. Green, The Later Plantagenets.
12) John de Stratford was Archbishop of
Canterbury from 1334 to his death in 1348.
Our
SIR
EDWARD DE
Sir Edward de
Warren, Knight, illegitimate son of the last Earl of Warren and Surrey by Maud
de Nerford married Cecily, daughter and heiress of Sir Nicholas de Eaton,
Knight and wife Joan de Stockport, daughter of Sir Richard Stockport. At the time, she was the divorced wife of Sir
John Ardene. This marriage brought Sir
Edward a large estate in
SIR
JOHN DE
Sir John de Warren,
married Margaret, daughter of Sir John Stafford of Wickham, Knight. Sir John
was knighted about 1372, probably on his being appointed to attend the king in
his expedition to
NICHOLAS
DE
Nicholas de
Warren born 1371, being age 14 at his fathers death. In 1390 he married Agnes, daughter of Sir
Richard de Wynnington, Knight. He died
about 1413. Their children were Emma who married Hugh Venables of Golborne, a
second daughter,
SIR LAURENCE DE
Sir Laurence de
Warren, Knight was born about 1394, married Margery, daughter of Hugh Bulkley
of Owre,
JOHN
DE
John de Warren
was born about 1414, married Isabel, daughter of Sir John Stanley of Latham,
Knight of the Garter in 1444 by dispensation from the Pope secured by Sir John
Stanley. He is described in 1458 as Lord
of the Manors of Stockport, Poynton, Wood Plumpton, Forneby, Rotley, Boton, and
Skegton. In 1473 he made John Warren,
clerk, Rector of
SIR
LAURENCE DE
Sir Laurence de
Warren, Knight married Isabel, daughter of Robert Leigh of Adlington,
SIR
JOHN DE
Sir John de
Warren, Knight was born about 1461 and was knighted at Ripon in
LAURENCE DE
Laurence de Warren, Esq. married first
Margaret, daughter of Sir Piers (also called Perkin) Leigh of Lyme,
SIR
EDWARD WARREN
The Earl of
Hertford knighted Sir Edward Warren, Knight at Leith in
Stone of Sir
Edward Warren of Poynton 1588
JOHN WARREN
John Warren,
Esq. is called Baron of Stockport and was High Sheriff of Cheshire in 1576. He
married Margaret, daughter of Sir Richard Molineux of Sefton in
George who both
died without issue at London; Dorothy, baptized January 25, 1561 and married
October 16, 1581, to William Davenport of Bramall; Mary who married Hamnet
Hyde, son and heir of Robert Hyde of Hyde, Cheshire; Eleanor, baptized October
22, 1565, married October 23, 1581 to Robert Tatton of Withenshaw; Frances who
married William Dedall of Salwick, Lancashire; Ann who married Roger Downes of
Shrigley; Lucy who married November 15, 1613 to Osbaldiston of Ireland.
SIR EDWARD
WARREN
Sir Edward
Warren, Knight of Poynton Cheshire, was baptized at Prestbury, April 9, 1563.
He was High Sheriff of Cheshire in 1597 and toward the end of Queen Elizabeth's
reign, was in the Irish wars, where he was knighted July 22, 1599, by Robert,
Earl of Essex, Lord Lieutenant. He married first a
daughter of Sir Edward Fritton of Gawsworth, Knight. Second he married about 1581 Joan or Ann,
daughter of Sir William
John who
succeeded the estate; Ralph who died young; Humphrey buried at Stockport July
9, 1657, a Royalist, and his property was sequestered by Cromwell; William his
fifth child was in Virginia between 1633-40; Margaret; another Margaret; Ann
these last three having died young; Frances who died unmarried, and was buried
at Stockport April 20, 1633; Margaret who married January 2, 1616, to Thomas
Singleton of Broughton Tower, Lancashire, and surviving him, died 1632;
Catharine, baptized at Stockport March 5, 1591, and buried at Wood Plumpton,
November 2, 1605; Dorothy; and Ann. Sir
Edward married thirdly Susan daughter of Sir William Booth of Dunham Massey,
Knight. By Susan Sir Edward had George;
Edward who married Susan daughter of Nathan Lane of London; Laurence whose wife
was Ellen; Richard whose wife was Elizabeth; Halsall; Edmond, who with his
brother Humphrey, being Royalists had their property sequestered by Cromwell;
Thomas who patented 300 acres of land in Charles City County, Virginia in 1635,
his wife was Susan Greenleaf, he was a burgess both in James City and Surrey
Counties as late as 1666. He had a
second wife Elizabeth and had sons John, Richard, and Thomas; Elizabeth who
married Darcy Wentworth of Brodesworth, Yorkshire; Lieutenant Radclift Warren
was killed in Claiborne's raid on the Isle of Kent in 1635; Ralph; and
Posthumous, born two months after his father’s death.
JOHN
WARREN
John Warren, Esq. married Ann in
October 28, 1594, daughter of George Ognell, of Bilsley, in Warwickshire. He
died June 20, 1621. Ann died May 1652.
Their children were Edward who seceded to the estate; John baptized August 9, 1606 was living in St. Mary's
County,
EDWARD
WARREN
Edward Warren,
Esq. was commonly called "Stag Warren", on account of his great size
and strength. He was born May 10, 1605 and baptized May 19 according to the
register of Wood Plumpton. He married
Margaret, daughter of Henry Arderne of Harden near
For those
interested in the line of Poynton Warrens past this above Edward Warren, Esq.
we find:
John Warren Esq. August 12, 1630 - March 20, 1705-6
Edward Warren
Esq. September 17, 1663 - October 10,
17117
John Warren
Esq. July 15, 1679 - died unmarried 1729
his brother succeeded
Edward Warren Esq.
died September 7, 1737
Sir George Warren who
was the last
Bibliography
Charles County Gentry, by Harry Wright
Newman pub1971.
Ancient Earls of
Warren and
Manuscripts,
Parish Registers of
Lancashire and
Ormerod’s History of Cheshire.
A View of
Poynton Lodge at the time of Sir George Warren
Same view of
Poynton Pool as plate above I made September 2006
Found in Sir
George Warren files in Poynton Library September 2006.
The original Poynton Hall was built about
1552 by Sir Edward Warren, but there may have been an earlier building on the
site. It was pulled down about 1750 by Sir George Warren and replaced with a
large house on the same site with a park. This stood on the right hand side of
the road from Macclesfield to Stockport and was engraved for the Rev. Watson's
'History of the Ancient Earls of Warren and Surrey' with the title 'A View of
Poynton Lodge in
The Arms of Sir George Warren
